[Hey, pedestal was his choice of words to begin with.

And she can't offer better advice if someone won't even talk about the nitty gritty of the issue.

Statements like that sure don't help.] ...No I know that. You said it under pressure. That you might have been the side that cares, but it was definitely the side that didn't see any ways out either.

It's easier to try to find options when you know they're there though, isn't it? [Easier to start being open to the idea of someone empathizing when someone points out the hypocrisy in saying 'you don't understand', maybe.

Carly sighs and shakes her head.]

...Talk to someone. Openly, please, when you can. Maybe it can't be until we get out of this mess, but later is better than never.

...I don't like watching people drown. ...Especially when I can't swim too well myself, you know? [she jokes lamely.

She swims just fine of course. It's the metaphorical drowning, that she has experience with.]